2007年5月21日
I am sorry. I want to say sorry to Stephy.
But first of all, I want to say sorry for writing this in English. I do not want people to think that I am trying to be superior writing in English. I really want to apologize as quickly as possible and the only way I can do it quickest, is in English. As my Chinese typing would not do in the same velocity as in English.
I was lucky to stay out of Hong Kong's education system after getting so-so grades at HKCEE.
By the time I got to University, I discovered that I was not so dumb after all. In fact, I think if the same opportunity was given to Stephy, she would have done even better than I did.
Form 5. Form 5 became the full stop to so many people's education in Hong Kong not because they are not talented, but simply because the education system in Hong Kong is broken.
Broken by the government.
So you might ask. Why did I try to say that Stephy was intellectually lacking when I know full well it wasn't her, but the system that is broken.
I was angry. I love books, but I let my emotion took control. I disagree completely that reading a few pages of a book would allow someone to decide how good a book is.
I always believed, like dealing with men, unless you read the whole book, to the very last page, the book might turn out to be good or bad.
I knew that by attacking someone's education back ground, that in our diseased culture, it would hurt. It would hurt someone's emotion. For that I am wrong.
But let me be clear. Even if a professor or a PhD were to say that a book can be decided by a few pages, I would still disagree. Just as strong.
I hope very much Stephy will forgive me for being too emotional. And I have learned the lesson not to be vindictive about one's education. For after all, going to a lot of schools does not mean one is smart, and not going does not make one any less so.
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To be honest, we all know what the media does, especially to the individuals who are fortunate(or unfortunate) enough to be mentioned by it.
First of all, I believe Stephy's comment was taken completely out of context. She probably meant that she could decide whether a book was good for HER after glancing at the first few pages of it.
Judging how good a book is can be very subjective. For example, while the consensus is that Lord of the Rings is a "good" book, it might not be as "good" for people who do not enjoy fantasy/science fiction. After reading Lord of the Rings, I honestly thought that the plot line was too complicated for my liking, but that does not alter the fact that it is one of the best pieces of literature in history.
Secondly, I feel that the HK education system is not "broken". To my understanding, the system is comprised of exams that are designed to test the student's knowledge on the various disciplines that he/she was exposed to during high school. Students have their destinies in their hands. They can either study and get good grades on the exams, or NOT study and get bad grades. It's a binary situation - either 1 or 0.
Thirdly, I also am educated in North America, and after spending 5 years in one of the better universities in Canada, I can honestly say that being in university isn't a very special thing. There were approximately 20000 people studying in my university in any given semester, and I was just 1 of the 20000. Besides, to my recollection, there were A LOT of intellectually inferior people in university. There are so many factors besides intelligence that determines whether someone has a bachelor's degree, and we as one of the millions of university-educated people in the world are not special enough to criticize others' education backgrounds.
Lastly, don't apologize for your feelings. This is your blog, and you have every right to express how you feel. In the career field that you are in, however, you should be more careful not to express your emotions towards any particular individual.
Sorry for the rant. After I read your entry, I just felt like writing.
CW
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睇埋呢度先批評 erica 啦!!!!!!!
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仲有
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How come you are imbalanced in just two languages? How do people manage more than 2 languages then? C'mon, you took f.5 in hk! so ridiculous...by the way, don't worry about the "broken" educational system in hk. smart people do still get As.
Take care ah~You just said what u think, that is very normal, take care and happy again~
The aroma of gun powder fills the air...
hahahahah
fire on.
It is unfair! Apple Entertainment did not say a word about Erica's apology on today's newspaper.
Honestly speaking, I am not a fans of Stephy.
But I'm amazed that you, being a public figure, have the courage to "critize" her.
Personally, I don't find your words intimidating at all. It is all about personal comments. You may be expressing opinions of many other people in the showbiz industry. It is unfair to purely say that you are just trying to arouse public attention.
She might be really "industrious" but I still believe that she needs time to prove that she is really talented in writing.
Don't get too upset when reading the news and criticism!
I don't think apple daily would provides fair articles at all. They are business. What they want to do is to starting up fire, and take advantage from it.
Finally, both Erica and Stephy are being hurt. Ridiculous!
Erica!我已留左言去Kelly個Blog喥，你得閒去睇啦！我唔想o係你個Blog喥亂打野影響你。無論如何我都會撐你，加油呀！
Erica!我已留左言去Kelly個Blog喥，你得閒去睇啦！我唔想o係你個Blog喥亂打野影響你。無論如何我都會撐你，加油呀！
Speaking of shattered, you are not alone. I took 3 HKCEE to get 6 out of 7 subjects passed.... with a E grade, and when I start studied in Canada (Yes, I am lucky to have a 2nd chance) I magically turn into a C+, B student.... go figure. The system is broken.
Speaking of shattered, you are not alone. I took 3 HKCEE to get 6 out of 7 subjects passed.... with a E grade, and when I start studied in Canada (Yes, I am lucky to have a 2nd chance) I magically turn into a C+, B student.... go figure. The system is broken.
Interested, so you get bad grade at HK and good grade at Canada can proof HK education system is broken?
no matter the education system is broken or not, there are still loads of people getting A in the HKCEE. IF you are talented, you will have a good grade, but not ONLY PASSING the HKCEE. never never critize others while you are not really doing better than him/her.
personally, i dont thk being able to write in 2 languages is something difficult..u write in english to apologize to someone u claim to be "not well-educated" just show that u are not apologizing whole-heartedly...it's like u are trying to grab another chance to critize stephy once more, to show that u are more capable or well-educated than her.
im an local HKer, i write in english to show my respect to you, hope you wont be bothered by my sucking english. =]
anyway, be tough!!
i don't have difficulty in writing in both languages; just that i'm slow at chinese typing. (faster to write in pen and paper)
i don't think responding in english makes my apology any less sincere. That's not a fair comment to me.
after all, it really wasn't a comparison between my education level with her; it was the way i think a book lover shall respect all authors.
I only own a degree; no big deal about it.
Well said CW ... sensible and fair comments.
"She probably meant that she could decide whether a book was good for HER after glancing at the first few pages of it."
"Lastly, don't apologize for your feelings. This is your blog,"
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Guess that's your spontaneous response upon what you read/hear. It's no big deal to express one's feeling in blog. Although it isnt politically incorrect to make such a comment; it seems people demand a higher moral standard for people with publicity.
You've made your apology ...fair enough ... let's move on.
I just don't think you need to apologize...
SL
I think there is no need for you to apologise.The thing you said is true.I support you.
erica, i support u
no matter how smart a person is, it is impossible to judge a book by reading da first few pages of it.juz wrong!
i can totally understand the reason y u write this in english.i am walking on da same path as u did: got "not nice" result in HKCEE and luckily to hv a chance studying aboard.for us, i know its way easier to write in english. it is not showing off. its juz simply we can express ourselves better in english.
studying in HK is juz a challenge on MEMROY!teachers wouldnt teach u how to think and process da knowledge. what u should do is to memorize all da stuffs he told and write it back down on paper during exams.how rediculous it is!
Erica, just to let you know. I like you better than Stephy so I support you all the way. :)
I don't think you need to apologise either. I am totally with you on your point. I think that one needs to read a book from cover to cover to have the right to judge how well it was written. It's a basic sign of respect to the author. I think words are being manipulated by the media so badly these days, all the true meanings are misunderstood. AND people over-react so easily as well, especially those who (subjectively) try to defend their idols. This is such a miniscule thing to argue over. And for some anonymous person who commented above saying that one must never criticise others unless we do better than them (How do you define "do better" anyway?) , I think one HAS the right to have an opinion even if they did not excel in a particular area.Otherwise, why do we need the freedom of speech?
I grew up in American and don't know the education system in Hong Kong but from what you say, you are indeed contradicting yourself. First you said stephy can't just judge the book by just reading a few pages then can you judge the education system of hk just because you get poor grades?
You have the right to express your feelings,say whatever as you wish,but just a peice of advice you should really think the outcome of your words before you expressed it, especially when it's toward an individual and when in the career field that you are in,it doesn't not help your career at all..Just giving my 2cents....I wish you luck and hope to see more of you on t.v in the future!
1. She didn't get bad grades, more than enough to study F.6 in HK
2. Being a public figure, it's a careless action in critizing Stephy on blog. But she made her apology.
3. Just practice the Chinese input, it's not difficult at all
4. Really doesn't matter for HK Edu system is broken or not, some ppl can surrive. And somehow, everywhere use "score" to determinate your edu. path. Like Havard, Standford, Oxford etc..you need to score well for SAT etc
5. Better to cease the fire...or we all would fall into the trap of media
hello, erica. i am neither a fan of urs nor stephy's. talking about hk's educational system, it makes me wanna say a few words. i did pretty bad in the hkcee, and got a chance to go to the States. and got a 4.0gpa. then got into one the most prestige universities in the WORLD. graduated with an excellent result.
i cant judge that hk's eduational system is broken. but its system is definitely not for me. it's not testing "student's knowledge" as CW said. it's testing how good a student can MEMORIZE the stuff. plus the teachers in hk suck. dun see how they worth $20k.
anyway, i support u about ur opinion on by glancing a few pages cant judge whether a bk is good or not. i am a bookworm. there were so many books start out with hella boring opennings, but they turn out to be "two thumbs up" books. so yeah~ what stephy said was dumb (to ME).
If you received post-secondary education in the U.S. you should be more than familiar with the fact that most teachers/professors advise students to read the first 5-10 pages of novels to determine whether or not they find it captivating. Your comment upon Stephy's intelligence was biased, but at the very least, I commend you on your courage to speak out in that way.
I like your honesty and candidness, and I certainly agree with you that no one could honestly say that in reading a couple of pages that one could truly judge the 'goodness' of the book.
A book is not just a book; it is a work of labor, from the author, researcher to the editor, copywriter and all involved in making the book possible. To decry a book would a little sad, giving scan respect to the people involved in it?
CW is right, I believe you the right to your opinion, as other have to theirs. I rather feel that if you get unhappy comments, would be that the people who reacted, did not think hard enough, or perhaps just another group of fans that thinks their idol could do no wrong... don't let it get to you. Chin up and I like to say, you did well.
Erica, don't be enraged by the media reaction for this is typically what the HK press is like -- attacking for its own sake. If the education system of the city is broken, so is the media culture.
I do agree with you wholeheartedly that it is presumptuous to judge a book merely after reading a few pages. I doubt it would be good enough even after finishing the whole book without some thorough reflections or letting the message sink in. If a person thinks otherwise, it only shows how shallow or in your words, "intellectually lacking" she is. I am glad you were courageous enough to stand up for what you think (or perhaps, what a genuine book-lover should think) And for that I applaud you.
I honestly do not know why people are making a huge deal about a small comment.
*damn paparazzi*
"Anonymous said...
'u write in english to apologize to someone u claim to be "not well-educated" just show that u are not apologizing whole-heartedly...it's like u are trying to grab another chance to critize stephy once more, to show that u are more capable or well-educated than her.'"
U have no clue how ridicules that sound. When one person write in English it does not make them "superior" to another. They may write in English because they may feel more comfortable writing it in English.
Keep your head up, and ignore the haters.
From
(Jersey girl)
Erica, don't be enraged by the media reaction for this is typically what the hk press is like: attacking for its own sake. If the education system of the city is broken, so is the media culture.
I agree wholeheartedly with you that it is presumptuous to judge a book merely after reading a few pages. I doubt it would be good enough even after finishing the whole book without some thorough reflections or letting the messages sink in. If a person thinks otherwise, it only shows how shallow, or in your words, "intellectually lacking" she is. I am glad you had the courage to stand up for what you think (or perhaps what genuine book-lovers should think). And for this I applaud you.
"I think one HAS the right to have an opinion even if they did not excel in a particular area.Otherwise, why do we need the freedom of speech?"
It seems to me that freedom of speech does not apply to showbiz. I feel for both Erica and Stephy. It is difficult to imagine the pressure of living under a microscope everyday.
When I am upset, I would write confrontative blogs that are directed at someone or something. But it seems that if you are in showbiz, you lose this privilege.
The loss of freedom and privacy is the price for fame and fortune. Nothing is free in this world.
seriously..being a public figure..i thk u should really think before u say something or write something in ur blog. after reading the news on stephy..i tgt wat she said was she could tell if she liked the book after reading a few pages. not its a gd book. so i thk i should read properly before u commend. i agree that we have to show respect to every author but do not forget that everyone has their own tastes not every book suits everyone. so please think and read sources carefully before u write next time. and..saying sorry does not really mean anithing when u hurt a person's feeling, theres nothing much u can do to make a person feel better.u should understand this.
Erica,your point is very good,and I'll support you.
No need to be upsetted by Apple Daily's article,the truth was out there!!
It's true that reading the first few pages are not enough to judge how good / bad a book is ~~ but Stephy is just saying like/dislike, not good/bad, the title of the newspaper probably misled you...
By the way, please note the famous HK lyricist 黎彼得 (You know who he is?) just finish the study in primary school...what do you reckon on his lyric? :)
I agree with you that HK educational system is broken because "田鴨方式" can even ruin a potential student. You know what I got all "F" in my HKCEE years ago. However, Having studied in the US for 2 years, I have got an A in average. I felt no pressure studying in the college for the past years. During this 2 years of study, however, I have learned and improved a lot not only in English literacy, but also critical thinking skill. Unlike HK, it concentrates on how many "A" the student get in the final.
Let's look at Erica's "attitude" and views from a different perspective. She said she did poorly on f.5 exams in Hong Kong, and moved to the States as a result. Just because she CANNOT pass the exams set out by hk's govt does NOT in any way PROVE that the education system is broken. I am sure there are a lot of smart people who do well on those exams.
Furthermore, just because one fails at a certain stage in their lives does not mean they cannot get back up. Erica, you might have studied harder or changed your study habits when you were in the States. Afterall, many work harder because they learn MORE from their failures than from their successes.
To conclude, because you did not meet HK Form 5's standard does not merely mean the education system is broken. In other words, you should reflect upon WHY you failed to pass the exams when a lot of people did.
I support Erica's criticism on Stephy. Being not properly educated is not a sin. However, trying to show off without sufficient academic background would only result in a joke. Why apologise? Be yourself, girl! Get some balls!
我都覺得香港既教育方式係差lor~
乜野都係要背,死背爛背~背得哂,考試果時抄得返哂出黎就叫叻???
仲有lor,大部份人會試有A係靠去補習lor~
無補習果d又拎到A先叫係讀書叻既人LOR~
如果讀書叻,D人仲駛乜去補習???返中學讀書D老師已經係教哂你所有要識既野俾你架啦~
去補習只係俾$$買人地方法~
所以會考失敗左就唔等於個人無用既~~
同埋我覺得Erica無錯喎,佢都只不過係share佢自己既opinion姐~只不過佢既身份係公眾人物~你地夠膽講從來無批評過人咩??
你批評人既時候只不過你既身份係無人識同無人會咁著意~
how come ppl always get me wrong.
what i meant was...my hkcee grades were poor in my standard...but i didn't fail any subjects...
hai ya... apologize already mai suen loh, jung seung dim? well always learn from ur mistakes :)and then stand up and move on...
btw... i only know who you are today after seeing an entertainment news regarding this whole 'incident'... so i'm not on either side.. though this is a good way to boost popularity! ;)
will bookmark this page and see how it goes...
hi it's me again! yeah, i am that free... i dunno if this is the right time for this, i like to give some suggestion on how to improve ur blog... maybe you can add a chatbox where ppl can chat here live, can make this place more lively.. more pictures of your activities is a plus too... :)
hi, miss yuen, will you translate this entry to Chinese so that you will not be titled so-called "superior" as you mentioned.
Hi Erica, I don't know who you are, although you are an aspiring actress, it seems. This would explain the notoriety of your spat with Stephy Tang, which made the rounds on the Asian entertainment news website that I troll, from which I clicked on a link to your blog. Having read your apology to her, it's clear that you are a lucid writer, with a genuine grasp of the English language. That's something to be proud of, especially being in a city with a metaphorically broken education system, in which I am an aspiring ESL teacher. As someone who has personally struggled to learn Cantonese in Hong Kong, I urge you, particularly after reading the beginning of your post, not to pander to the local inferiority complex, because it further perpetuates the protectionist mentality, of both language and pop stars, endemic to this peculiar place called Hong Kong.
As an American who got lost in translation, I find this bizarre drama trite and superfluous. Yet, like you, I find writing about it strangely compelling - good evening.
Disclaimer: I'm not fans of neither Erica or Stephy.
Just remember Erica wrote the following and published in Appledaily before.
Frankly speaking, after I read this, I've change my view to Erica.
To Stephy: Can you write this??
To Readers: You judge it!
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在 CD 動 輒 賣 幾 十 萬 張 的 90 年 代 初 ， 每 個 學 生 青 年 都 帶 discman ， 後 來 MD 興 起 ， 聽 眾 用 CD 錄 成 MD 。 現 在 ， discman 和 MD 機 連 街 邊 收 賣 佬 都 當 是 古 董 ， 人 人 用 MP3 或 iPod ， 方 便 將 歌 曲 分 類 ， 自 訂 playlist ， CD 難 賣 ， 理 所 當 然 。
配 合 顧 客 進 化 改 革
在 創 意 工 業 界 未 使 盡 渾 身 解 數 提 供 收 費 點 對 點 上 下 載 銷 售 平 台 之 前 ， 政 府 不 應 輕 舉 妄 動 胡 亂 改 例 ， 假 設 了 所 有 網 民 都 是 貪 免 費 的 侵 權 罪 人 。 要 知 道 唱 片 業 界 忽 略 了 一 大 群 貪 方 便 的 潛 在 顧 客 ， 未 有 因 顧 客 的 進 化 行 為 而 改 革 ， 藉 互 聯 網 發 展 新 的 銷 售 渠 道 ， 等 於 斷 自 己 米 路 ， 這 並 不 是 政 府 的 責 任 。 網 民 有 demand ， 業 界 無 配 合 網 民 的 supply ， 所 以 才 孕 育 了 不 正 常 的 supply 。
iTunes Music Store 每 首 歌 賣 99 仙 美 金 ， 一 年 賣 10 億 首 歌 。 已 經 有 成 功 例 子 擺 在 眼 前 ， 香 港 竟 然 無 人 跟 風 ， 業 界 食 古 不 化 ， 令 無 辜 的 網 絡 供 應 商 在 修 例 之 後 廣 受 牽 連 ， 要 記 錄 網 民 24 小 時 的 網 上 活 動 ， 政 府 還 要 犯 險 ， 不 顧 網 民 私 隱 去 緝 兇 。 條 例 實 質 是 懲 罰 了 ISP ， 犧 牲 了 網 民 的 私 隱 ， 保 護 了 版 權 ， 但 不 見 得 能 提 高 版 權 持 有 人 的 報 酬 。
假 如 有 一 個 包 羅 萬 有 的 收 費 檔 案 庫 ， 讓 網 民 合 法 、 快 捷 、 方 便 地 下 載 數 碼 化 的 作 品 ， 將 創 意 工 業 發 揚 光 大 ， 作 品 多 了 人 欣 賞 ， 版 權 持 有 人 荷 包 多 了 錢 ， 皆 大 歡 喜 ， 但 未 必 是 拯 救 創 意 工 業 街 根 本 問 題 的 靈 丹 妙 藥 。 不 肯 創 新 改 革 的 創 意 工 業 有 這 種 自 相 矛 盾 的 現 象 ， 是 因 為 政 府 有 意 保 護 ， 令 業 界 放 慢 改 革 的 步 伐 。 請 政 府 不 要 干 預 ， 強 迫 他 們 面 對 現 實 ， 才 能 自 救 。
之前覺得妳唔多靚，不過自從妳如此勇，又好似順眼左好多^^
I think everyone has the freedom to express one's opinion. This whole thing made such a big noise due to some people's ignorance. So don't worry, be yourself and don't lose your real personality in this entertainment industry.
Wow! Just read the news of how things went for you and feeling like commenting although I don't usually do in celebs' blogs.
*getting straight to the point*:
I agree with some people that you don't have to apologize for your emotions and I totally understand your situation. As a "book-worm", I tend to over-react sometimes when others say things about "books" or somewhat similar. Hey, we're all human so getting emotional over something like that is unavoidable.
(Side-note: I agree with cw though that what Stephy said might have been taken out of context since it might fall under what she does and her personal preferences.)
I totally agree with what you said at the end though - regarding educational background doesn't determine your intelligent - since some of us tend to not strive that hard although we have the ability to do so.
Good day!
i am an 8 yrs old kid.
Erica i support you! I love you! You are right !
erica, where are you?
You are not in tvb ? i am ur big fan, last drama u appear is "fei tian hei xi"
wish to see u more in drama
I love your performance in Miss HK, even you are not top 3, but u are Miss HONG KONG 2005. you look so pretty that night..
Everything is taken out of context just to ensure people will buy the newspaper. It's a right to speak out your mind just not when you are in an entertainment business or just not HK :p
She probably meant that the HK system is meant for everyone cuz its more memorizing rather than logical thinkin etc...
PS: I don't know either of the artists and if you ask why I find this, thru TN place XD
The song suits this situation: "Won't back down" by Matt Kearney
Yeah, I agree with kcin. This was a smart move on your part to boost popularity.
I saw your performance in a certain drama...I guess it's irrelevant to comment on how you did. Let's just say, it's good that you have all this negative press to fall back on.
Erica, I support you
You are just being true to yourself
There is nothing wrong with you
No need to apologize to Stephy
我覺得你完全無錯, 完全認同你所講, d人唔應該睇一兩頁就決定到本書好定唔好. 你唔洗道歉啵...
一個人要寫返本好好既書, 可能要research幾年, 甚至十幾年都會. 人地辛辛苦苦既精心傑作, 就俾人"係咁易" 望兩下就決定好定唔好, 我覺得好膚淺囉.
同埋, 我都係一個留學生, o係香港讀完中五讀唔掂, 加上屋企好好有能力俾我呢個機會離開香港.
相比之下, 香港教育的的確確有佢既唔好...但其實, 我覺得西方教育又未見得真係好得幾多, 因為我覺得一個人讀唔讀得成書, 係視乎呢個人有無心讀書...
我都係支持你既!!~
I think what erica meant by HK's "broken" edcation system, is the system like most of the asian's country is exam based that relies very heavily on student's memory. How well they can memorise and "throw up" the facts that they have studied. Does that test students' Intelligence?
It doesn't test students' capability to think outside the box or critical thinking.
where else most western countries like canada education system (high school) they are more of assignment based type. which they test your knowledge, your analysis strength, how well your present your argument or point.
in uni, maybe HK are much that way? i cant be sure cause i'm not from hk.
What erica commented about stehpy education. well yeah not the most diplomatic comment. she did apologised. probably need to apologise to stephy personally. i mean yes we are in the age of digital world. but a old fasion apology still the most sincere :)
the post you have here i feel is more of your responsibility to the readers, and media or any stephy supporters.
But yes people get over it. what stephy said wasnt the most horrible thing you have ever heard in your life. plus there are more things to be concerned about. AND do you swear on your life that you, yourself have NEVER talk bad about others. I rest my case.
Your article on 金 手 指 ： 篤 爆 政 府 如 何 殺 死 創 意 工 業 was brilliant. Keep up the good work~!
Erica~ 支持你呀~~ 我有睇開娛樂直播架~ 呢排少左見你 ><
anyway~~ 做番你自己!!!你完全無錯~
袁小姐,
根據appledaily 5月18日的文章標題:[Stephy 十 分 愛 看 書 揭 幾 頁 就 知 掂 唔 掂] 明顯是誤導.
內文只是說Stephy "只 看 幾 頁 ， 就 了 解 自 己 是 否 喜 歡 那 本 書"
喜歡與否是主觀的.難道袁小姐每次買書之前都要先將它看完嗎? 可能你會說你會參考書評, 但看頭幾頁然後決定不買很普通.
當你去到書局,看到有人拿了本書上手,翻了兩翻然後把它放下不買,你又會不會覺得氣憤?你會想叫他看完本書才決定不買嗎???
Andyw: 金手指不是 孫柏文(http://phatdat.blogspot.com/)寫的嗎?
actully, i think u should not say sorry for stephy...Hong Kong is a free talking place...and i totally agree with u that ur comment for her...and i dont think she has any ability to become sucessful singer ....
i dont want to talk her anyway...
i support ur comment ...
(my english is not very good haha ^^)
actully, i think u should not say sorry for stephy...Hong Kong is a free talking place...and i totally agree with u that ur comment for her...and i dont think she has any ability to become sucessful singer ....
i dont want to talk her anyway...
i support ur comment ...
(my english is not very good haha ^^)
actually i am so agree with you that Hong Kong is an exam-oriented society, people form different places will definitely have different views..
so don't mind what the people had said..you are you!!
Let everything gone..!!
'The beauty of a woman is not in a facial mole. But true beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul.'
希望袁小姐可以以此為目標~
'中五+IVE, 果然掂'這一句雖然給妳刪掉, 但說過就是說過, that's the true beauty in your soul reflected in your words.
People are just way too sensitive. An individual can't voice their opinions? Just because Erica critized Stephy, that doesn't mean anything. It happens everyday in United States media. Erica should just take back her apology. Where is the freedom of speech? She didn't defame anyone.
Stephy fans, stop being over-protective for your "idol". It's okay to take some criticism. A quote by Malcolm X, “If you have no critics, you'll likely have no success.”
Therefore, chill down. It's her blog. She is just reflecting her views.
- Bystander with a Voice
Seriously... Are you trying to make an apology here or you're just trying to let the world know about your educational background?? I do not think you're being sincere here in apologising to Stephy. Yes, Stephy may not be fortunate enough to be educated overseas, hence she is supposingly 'less intellectual'. But yourself being an American graduate could have been more tactful when making comments about others knowing very well you're in the entertainment industry.
And btw, do not blame the education system. It may have it's flaws but if there are ppl out there who can ace the exams, the system cant be 'broken'.
You wrote better than Stephy.
Unfortunately, Chinese and English is only two subjects out of the 8-10 available ones.
This incident definitely gives you some publicity. Good or bad, is publicity after all. Make good use of it!
P.S:Why don't you write a book too so people can compare and STFU afterwards haha
P.P.S:"i don't have difficulty in writing in both languages; just that i'm slow at chinese typing. (faster to write in pen and paper)"
Me too! Chinese input sucks.
I find it interesting that anonymity on the internet means flamers can stand on their high pedestal and say "you can ace the exams if you tried!". There isn't an education system in the world that isn't flawed - eveyrone learns in different ways, and the overbearing "memorize-regugitate" system that's employed in so many countries is best suited to the rote learner.
That aside, I'm glad you commented on what Stephy said, whether or not either of the comments were taken out of context. If those were her words, it's no different to judging a book by its cover, and I'm sure many other avid readers would have had the same reaction that you did.
Personally, I think it's sad that the HK media fuels a society where people are repressed and expected to fit into a niche, and anything outside of the square is worthy of attack.
I only agree with you if it is fiction. For non-fiction, it could be easy to tell whether a book is good by flipping through the contents and a few pages. Somehow I buy books by flipping through the books in the bookshop. If I have to read every single book to tell whether a book is good, I don't think we can buy any book (in fact, there is no need to buy any book because you already finish reading it before you buy it!).
To Cyrus Tsui,
I was off that day so Erica stepped in a wrote a piece for me.
《金手指》
孫柏文
Stephy 只是一個MongKok feel 的女仔, 係旺角街頭隨時找到一百幾十個Form 5 + IVE 學歷的好仔, 莫非她們個個也可以做才女?學歷低絕對不是罪,形象也只是公司打造,但總不能相差太遠! 我只可以說她是一個好MK feel的女仔,一個藝人應努力增值自己,一個歌星最基本要做的是唱好歌,而不是扮才女,當觀眾是傻瓜!
Erica, I don't think Stephy will understand your apology because her standard of English may not allow her to understand what you said.
我觉得睇一本书...肯定睇1.2页..睇下本书噶内容好五好`..写得好五好~!..
五系话一罗起本书..几要死甘睇晒距```!/``..如果本书五系自己中意噶~!...甘睇落去只会觉得好辛苦~!..
睇书系一仲乐趣..五系一个规定啊~!..~!
判斷一本書是否適合自己，我係會參考一些書評，看目錄，或某一章節。
“翻一兩頁”。。。哈哈。。。主角仲要係STEPHY。。。一睇就係扮嘢啦。。。
我唔係ERICA FANS
隨心而行便可,很高興有這麼多人支持你~
首先．．．大家都誤會左Ｓｔｅｐｈｙ既意思
呢ｄ係報紙誇大＋誤導既手法
呢件事教清袁小姐下次要清楚一件事先好作出批評
唔好俾傳媒既手法蒙蔽自己既眼睛
唔通你會相信 某ｄ緋聞嗎？
作為公眾人物．．．
一言一行要小心
you cant compare ur thinkings with ppl's thinkings like that.. it isnt fair at all.. stephy's might have the ability to caulculate the results of the book, just like reading one's mind.. so long as she has the feel, confidence, stand in knowing the result of anything, she of course can say out openly to everyone.. the reason why u think that no one can calculate the result of book by flippin few pages, is mostly cuz of ur stubborness in changing ur mindset.. plus you arent having any confidence in what you're thinking and not knowing the answer in your heart.. just this reason, we can already prove that you have no rights to criticise anyone.. cuz ur confidence and mindset in knowing anything, is still not enough!! so just buckup on that and stop criticising others.. just imagine if you're criticised by someone, will u feel good? if you're someone who has undergo proper education, you wouldnt by hurting ppl's feelings here! lol.. have some brains maybe ((:
stehy has the abilities to do what she can.. so she knows what she's doing exactly.. no one will have the rights to interfere what she's dng or the way she do it.. only she, herself has to rights to do so.. i'm sure u aso has ur own abilities too.. so just stop interferring other's stuffs!!
"I was angry. I love books, but I let my emotion took control. I disagree completely that reading a few pages of a book would allow someone to decide how good a book is."
Yes and no. Sometimes if you read out of your genre you might have to wrestle with the book a bit to see if you're really hooked.
I recently started really mystery--something that is outside of my habit and I have to read a few chapters and see if I'll stick with it.
The blurb and reviews are good tell-tale sign if something is up your alley. I usually know what books I'll get when I get to the store, or at least pick similar titles/authors to what I noramlly enjoy reading.
Silly rabits, Erica and Stephy are hanging out in her backyard drinking volka for her moment...
Congratz Ms Yuen for your celebrity boost.
Look, if you have the ball to criticize someone especially a public figure, I think you should just say "TAKE THAT, BITCH!" Issue an apology after your intellectual judgement had hammered will only insult yourself. It pains me more to see how you point your finger toward the HK education system.
You should let the flame go on!
Your dearest darkside friend
Cath
人言名畏，尤其是你們這些藝人更加緊記，講錯一句說話可以俾人唱足十年
Why you have to say sorry to Stephy?? You did nothing wrong, it just your own opinion~
Something to Stephy: Yea, of course there're nothing wrong with someone who are not "well-educated" to read a book, but it's wrong to be a author even issued.
You just need more time to improve yourself before you issue your book.
i think it's very low class to say someone with little ed bkground. Not everybody does well at school...even if u do, u aren't as talented as the others.
Just shut the fuck up!
If u wanna be a big star, u better think twice before commenting others...
i think it is very low class to leave a comment at someone's blog with the f word too.
stephy可能唔明你的英道歉信, 但佢應該會問人.....
我都覺得stephy應該學好d歌藝先最緊要, 唔應該扮才女, 好難令人信服, 出左本書仔就叫才女? 呢個名詞看來是沒有定義, 係啊, 通街都是f.5+ ive,人人都可出書扮才女架, 有錢有人幫就得.同埋出書前叫人執執先.
有人話"i think it's very low class to say someone with little ed bkground. Not everybody does well at school...even if u do, u aren't as talented as the others"
係丫, 無錯,低學歷絕對無罪, 但低學歷既人出得書就預左有彈有讚, 預左比人踩.無人叫你獻醜.
prolly this is an old post now. but anyway..
freedom of speech!! no one needs to apologize!!!!
cannot agree more that everyone can actually be a 才女 if a company pays for her publishing.
moreover, hongkong education system is one of the best in the world I must say, but it's only for smart people.. getting an A is not really that hard, to be honest..
well, I can understand that Erica is probably feeling quite superior to have another chance for education. but still, why do you need to compare your edu. background with stephy's??
and education level is not an accurate mearsurement of one's ability and knowledge. everyone on the street, literally, has a university degree.
Hey Erica you know its fine what you said. It's your blog your control. I am not a fan of yours nor Stephy. To tell you the truth, I don't think she is qualified to be a writer. Think about it... she is young, not much expereince in life ( I mean in general), only a year 11 qualification (Canada standard). All she has is some sort of beauty face full stop. Even if Alex Fong writes I still wouldn't buy it either. So don't worry girl.
不必要是才女才可以出書啊!
出書亦未必是勝人一籌。
出書只代表你想與人分享你的想法等。
如果覺得一個人要有很高深的學問才應該出版自己的寫作，太膚淺了，一般人豈不是不可以通過出版文字交流?
its just a kinda of way of expression. Media loves to pick up on these tidy thing so just take care of it. I stronly agree with you .
Suen Pakman is on leave now in appledaily, y dont you keep writing?
Erica,支持你!因為小妹亦係討厭鄧小姐的一群!說我主觀也好,但相信有用心看過鄧小姐所填的詞,就知道她什麼叫吃力不討好!她的文字辭不達意是事實,為什麼歌沒唱好,書沒讀好,就未學行先學跑,牽牛上樹呢?真的那麼有興趣的話,為什麼不先小試牛刀,先看看大眾的意見然後才繼續成為她"唱作人"的一職呢?
我不是要在這挑起什麼罵戰,只想讓erica知道,她的想法跟我所想的是一樣罷!鄧小姐喜歡看尼采是她的事,怎可能口氣大得說出這樣的話?
但係Stephy係話睇幾頁就知''喜不喜歡那書''.....而不是說那本書''好不好''...
本身個Title:''揭 幾 頁 就 知 掂 唔 掂''
內文:''......原 來 她 的 看 書 習 慣 是 不 論 任 何 主 題 ， 只 看 幾 頁 ， 就 了 解 自 己 是 否 喜 歡 那 本 書 ， 但 久 而 久 之 ， 買 下 的 書 越 來 越 多........ ''
http://www1.appledaily.atnext.com//template/apple_sub/art_main.cfm?iss_id=20070518&sec_id=38163&subsec_id=6038907&art_id=7112905
根本係個Title同內文不符,
究竟係Blog主只睇Title就打文章,
定係老屈呢~?
袁有意/無意斷章取義~?
封英文''道歉''更顯得欲蓋彌彰......
wow... so many comments. love the new media who have the ability to blow up any small comments made by any person and attempt to sensationalize the person. It's called Fundamental Attribution Error.
"(不必要是才女才可以出書啊!
出書只代表你想與人分享你的想法等。
如果覺得一個人要有很高深的學問才應該出版自己的寫作，太膚淺了，一般人豈不是不可以通過出版文字交流? )"---------------
你離晒題了, 在這裡有人說過 "不是才女不可出書"嗎?? 沒有人說不可以wor, 只是個個說佢唔夠班做"才女"者, 影響文化風氣, 降低晒d標準o者.
出唔出書分享當然係佢自由.我們都只是在"分享想法"罷了.
Erica好敢言, 圈中小見.
發映心聲罷了, 我不認同D報紙說佢做宣傳,要博宣傳有好多方法, 為何要找個M.K妹呢?而且這是佢私人BLOG.
if someone chose to pursue their dream and give up education...nothings wrong with that......its their own decisions...but they must think over it carefully first... plus not everyone is good at studying..maybe they have talent for other things
係呢個香港好多人讀到中五,但係你有冇諗過唔係個個都可以好似你咁有能力去到外國讀書?
I believe that sometimes you have to be smart about what you say in these public blogs where anyone in the world can view this. Therefore, I feel that you maybe expressing your feelings, but expressed it in a sense that you are degrading other people.
我都很同意Erica的說法呀!
睇左幾頁書就可以知道本書咩料?
鄧小姐d學歷仲勁過讀大學果d喇!
真是令人羨慕!
樣子化妝後..先見得下人ge!
唱歌呢..電腦對佢黎講真係一個最大既發明!
我都很同意Erica的說法呀!
睇左幾頁書就可以知道本書咩料?
鄧小姐d學歷仲勁過讀大學果d喇!
真是令人羨慕!
樣子化妝後..先見得下人ge!
唱歌呢..電腦對佢黎講真係一個最大既發明!
scare to paste my comment? loser.
"scare to paste my comment? loser. "
--- which msg are you talking about? scare to leave a msg in your real name?
my comment stated something you want to hide,right? Why do you want 2 know my name?
其實一個人冇學歷唔係佢o既錯,邊個唔想有博士o既學歷,邊個又願意只係得小學o既學歷呢?好多因素都會令一個人未必能夠完成學位,stephy小時家境貧困係人都知,唔通要佢一家人唔生活,俾錢stephy去讀書咩,就算佢家人肯,stephy都唔忍心啦。佢提早出來社會工作,係想減輕家人o既負擔,搵多d錢令家人生活得好,呢d人係為人子女o既願望。
交一友要＊千言萬語＊
失一友只＊三言兩語＊
Car Finance Team think every country have the lackness in education system. But I think your hk is the advance country that is supported by a good system in government, off course including education system.
I think your opinion (that hk education system is "broken") is too emotional.
That's my opinion. Good luck
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