2009年3月3日

關於張柏芝

I got an email that said:
Hello Erica,

I felt strange that even an opinionated person like you haven't even expressed your views about Cecilia Cheung's interview.

I know it's only the first part of the interview, but i felt so disgusted by her publicity stunt, and using her gender, her family & that little child as a tool for sympathy. for this 20 minutes she's didn't even make an apology to the public.

Feels like she doesn't even know what she has done wrong, and the show host didn't even ask!....

da di da di da di daaaa...


I replied:
what has she done wrong?

He replied:
是當「玉女」身份,私下的男歡女愛?
婚前性生活?
拍床照?
照片中,露骨的自慰動作?
照片跟社會一廂情願的藝人形象/偶像榜樣不配合?
訂婚後,繼續跟第三者來往,並發生性關係?
自稱「天不怕地不怕」,却好怕自己所作的事影響到謝家?
身為一個成年人,沒盡本份保護自己?
高估了數碼科技能夠保護自己能力?
還是她對陳冠希的信任,甚至將保護自己的全責交給他?

這次判她有錯的不是公眾,而是她自己。
但她由始至終,都沒解釋清楚她錯什麼。


I replied:
她從不是玉女。
她荒淫是她的事。
照片的事,是她蠢,不是她錯。
影響到謝家是謝家的事,不關大眾事。
什麽訂婚前後,都是傳媒說的,你又不是謝霆鋒。
男方承諾過照片不會被任何人看到,那當然是男方的責任。
她錯在蠢,錯信人,所以她對自己生氣,懲罰自己。
但對公眾?錯在哪?


52 則留言:

陳大文部落 說...

好奇........

點解『淫照事件』,袁彌明一定要有意見...?

如果『袁彌明沒有表態』,是否一個很重要的問題???

如果係,點解會係問題呢???

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又更好奇...

--發呢封 email 嘅人(男定女?),會比張柏芝、謝霆鋒,甚至冠希 更清楚佢地家事,咁犀利???


-- email 話,柏芝沒好好保護自己,高估了數碼科技能夠保護自己能力..]

數碼科技俾你運用咋喎,唔係保護你㗎喎,搞清楚概念好喎。


--email又話:『這次判她有錯的不是公眾,而是她自己...』


阿呢位老友/阿姐,柏芝其實係『淚插冠希』,你有無睇錯台呀,柏芝無話自己錯喎,其實你睇唔睇得明個節目㗎,唔好見到有柏芝上鏡就當係勁歌金曲至得㗎。況且,乜有人判班淫照女藝人有罪咩?


其實不如唔好問袁彌明,問曹宏威博士都得啦,反正袁彌明都唔關事,問曹宏威教授都一樣無分別㗎,係咪?照問之嘛。

你問麥玲玲可能反而有答案....

搞笑!


( 上 youtube 詳細睇番個專訪先啦,阿 email人 )...

匿名 說...

If she can use her own experience to educate youngsters, it will be the best. It's stupid to take those photos... especially, taken from Edison type of people. I think he showed those "Biology textbook" photos with friends already.

I feel sorry for her family and husband more than her... If you want to put Lemon in jail is easy... Just walk close and say you like his wife's XXX or something. I'm sure he will beat you like crazy. Just one stupid thing, she screws a lot of people who care about her.

Josekin 說...

Wow... has it been a year already!?

http://josekin.blogspot.com/2008/02/awards-ceremony-for-indecent-photos.html

I did not watch the TV interview.

I'm sure it was a publicity stunt even without watching it.

Like I've posted before, I don't think she did anything wrong. She hurt people who love her. Is that illegal?

小瓶子 說...

>>>發呢封 email 嘅人(男定女?)

话得 "He" 应该系男卦, 不会女扮男装甘得人惊卦~~~

虽然我不觉得她有什么错, 但其实张响video认左错啦, 她说觉得自己做错, 要罚自己, 所以呢一年都不接受传媒访问, 也没有向公众博取同情吖嘛.

其实呢位事主想张点去认错先得吖? 无论她怎样做, 你都觉得她假, 莫非要出家剃度, 永远都不出来? 甘你又会话她逃避现实, 用佛门来做避难港. 根本点做都系错, 所以最好都系做番自己.

至于嗰D 婚前婚后野, 连謝霆鋒都无讲乜野, 净系话更爱佢同嗰仔, 街外人又批评D乜?

好奇怪, 最受影响的谢家都接受张的过去, 反而街外唔关事D人就死都唔放过人.

盗亦有道, 睇晒人地D免费四仔, 就唔好懒道德高地啦.

匿名 說...

ERICA, 事件中我極看不起陳冠希, 極替女當事人心痛, 之前我有留意你批評陳, 求你這次一定不能令我失望。 我認為張不說傳媒有錯, 係正確聰明, 只有觀眾能指責傳媒, 張一說傳媒傷害佢, 就會被指推卸責任。
張覺得自己信錯人, 導致拍下不應拍的照片, 一切都係自己蠢, 所以佢真心相信無人可以怪, 但陳事後一而在傷害佢, 佢要出來說一番話, 亦係非常正確, 不說出來, 陳真係會以為自己過骨, 又去風騷呃女。

匿名 說...

hey erica... well said... needless to say more...

匿名 說...

about LAW in the internet !

匿名 說...

I totally agree with Erica, that's why I like you so much! And I like Cecil a lot too. -Karen

anf 說...

同意; 我都唔知佢做錯d乜, 點解咁多人話佢地要道歉云云

大眾們唔好做忽然間做晒"道德警察"先得架

匿名 說...

我認為張柏芝的錯,不在於她拍床照(這是她的偏好),也不在於床照泄露了(這是她不幸),也不在於她信錯edison(這是她蠢加不幸), 而是她濫交. 普通人濫交是自己問題,但張柏芝是公眾人物,明星,偶像. 她的言行是會影響青少年,社會大眾的. 一個明星收那麼多錢做廣告代言人,難道只因她"靚"? 她有責任管好自己的形像,至少不是私生活亂唒龍呱? 簡單講,她的濫交是會影響青少年的.所以她是有錯的,也有需要和責任向公眾道歉.
所以,請不要說what has she done wrong. 恕我直言,但這是句很不負責任的說話.

匿名 說...

我記得,佢在訪問中,有提到自已是公眾人物
是大家偶像,所以佢說自己有錯!以我對訪問的理解,佢說的錯係對影響身邊的家人,父母,支持者..令佢地傷心而知錯,因柏芝一向天不怕地不怕,影相有咩問題?
所以佢今次明白到,人唔係只為自己想做而做,而耍按自己身份而做, 所以罰自己wor...
我好唔明白點解有些人理解係咁,按自己所想/要的答案,套入別人所講,然後批評批評,既然講得咁道德,為何又會看過過千張相然後又津津樂道呢?
什麼訂婚重同第二個?相中柏芝好明顯是超廋時,果時未同霆鋒覆合的.

阪本龍一 說...

在今次有線電視的訪問裡,張柏芝沒有怪責任何人,公眾與媒體,她只認為某君不應該以所謂「公義」或「保護受害者」的虛偽說話來掩飾自己的過錯。

張柏芝沒有要求別人的同情之餘,更勇敢承認自己的過錯,這是值得公眾肯定她回應事件的正面價值。

為了自己兒子的前途與立下一個好榜樣,她沉默一年後才再回應某君的說話,也是整整一年對自己以往放蕩不羈行為的反省。無論將來張柏芝是否考慮復出演藝圈,本人也會無限量支持張柏芝,她的兒子與丈夫。

張柏芝已經說過不需要別人的同情,也不希望藉著媒體來博取別人的同情,而她不會埋怨公眾媒體以任何觀點角度評論這件洩漏性愛相片的事情。

確實某君也是一名受害者,但是某君在事件發生後迅即逃離香港,卻要所有女受害者承受最沉重的外界壓力,在承擔責任的角度來看,女受害者承擔委屈的程度會否低於某君???

本人不能接受某君沒有向其他女受害者表示任何「私下歉意」而空說「忘記與原諒」的廢話。在缺乏一個「私下歉意」的基礎下,某君如何要求張柏芝與其他女受害者忘記與原諒他的行為?

在整整一年內,確實某君沒有積極安慰所有女受害者的心靈。假如某君回港發表的「書面歉意」也算是一種向所有女受害者交代的形式,本人無話可說。

當然,還有其他人表示雙方自願拍攝這些相片,某君完全沒有需要向女受害者致歉的責任。當女受害者期望/信任某君能夠好好保存這些相片時,竟然不慎給電腦店的店員複製相片,固然電腦店的店員要負起刑事罪行,但是某君疏忽洩漏這些相片的行為,也不能一筆抹煞某君的基本責任吧?????

這則不幸事件教訓了全世界的女生:任何女生不要相信男生能夠保證儲存於電腦的裸體相片不會向外洩漏的廢話,也不要隨便對著攝錄器材拍攝留為記念的裸體相片或裸體錄像,不要為一時快感而後悔終生。

陳大文部落 說...

Edisonlization.......

陳冠希化......

溝女無難度........

Juanjaime 說...

Honestly, I could have predicted what she was going to say.

Basically the same things a girl would say to close friends if the same thing happened to herself. I'm not trying to ridicule the pain and shame of such revelations, because it will hurt a lot.

But this affair has received too much public scrutiny because our idols nowadays seem to embody the morality of our society and so any people look up to them for qualities other than what their job is mostly about (i.e. singing and acting).

If our youths really want to find role models in an artist, a high morality is essential for a good role model, but should acting skills and vocal skills be placed as the main focus?

Bob Dylan never cared about the media, hence his immunity to media scrutiny. But I guess rules are rules in HK, har?

Juanjaime 說...

Oh, btw.. look at John Lennon, Will.i.am., Utada Hikaru, David Tao.

What is their message to the world and how do they channel their message through what they do.

If HK artists do have a moral obligation in society, what should it be?

匿名 說...

張柏芝的荒淫絕對不是她一個人的事.她拍完一部戲,部戲收唔收得,是她一個人的事嗎?她做廣告代言,有無說服力,是她一個人的事嗎?做得明星,便能享受做明星的褔利.但請不要在有事發生,便說"這是她的事". 床照事件絕不只是她一個人或與edison二個人的事. 這是很多人的事. 事實歸事實,她是有錯的(她在訪問中也清楚承認),至於在她認錯後,大家是否原諒/接受她,就閣下自行判斷.但請不要歪曲事實,說什麼"這是她的事","她沒有錯".(難道她在訪問裹無端白事認錯??)

k 說...

匿名 提到...
10:44 上午, 三月 05, 2009

>>>床照事件絕不只是她一個人或與edison二個人的事. 這是很多人的事.

-影床照- 係佢地兩個人既事。

-床照流出- 影響到他們的親友、廣告商、公司等等,又令到好多鍾意指指點點既人茶餘飯後多個話題,的確是很多人的事。假如有外星人,佢地又加把咀,都關佢地事。

>>>事實歸事實,她是有錯的(她在訪問中也清楚承認)

-咁究竟你認為佢錯乜野呢?

-其實佢係咪又好清楚自己講緊乜?

-我"清楚承認"我係一個唔識中文O既人,咁係咪就代表我真係唔識中文呢?

-事實歸事實,地球是正方型的,所以地球就是正方型?

匿名 說...

佢無對公眾唔住, 佢係傷害了自己及家人。

匿名 說...

張柏芝爛賭又淫蕩,教壞年青人

That Girl 說...

This is crazy. Shut up you all self-righteous hypocrites.

Cecil has done nothing wrong to the public. It's her own business. If the US can accept Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian, I don't understand why HK can't accept Cecil. What's so wrong about it anyway?

I bet at least half of the people have taken similar photos... and almost all of the men have jerked off to Cecil's pictures. Psssshhh

Enough is enough. Just leave her (and other involved artists) alone and stop judging.

Peace out.

匿名 說...

這種社會道德標準問題根本不是universal truth,
也不是絕對性的對與錯 (不同culture, 不同國家的標準都不一樣)
更不是永久性 (100年前世界,同今日的標準已經不一樣) (同樣地, 100年後的世界的標準都一定不會是今日的標準)

如果有人覺得應該用美國的paris hilton來作為這case的標準, 那是他/她本人的標準, 他/她沒有對或錯, 批評此人者是愚昧的
同樣地,
如果有一位來自保守國家的人覺得此事是道德敗壞, 也是他/她本人的標準, 他/她沒有對或錯
同樣地, 批評者此人者也是愚昧的

我不明白為什麼erica要批評人家對張的感覺,那是人家本人的標準

還有, 一件事的對與錯, 為什麼是用對不起"誰"的角度?? 即係, 一件錯事, 係錯就係錯, 不是什麼對佢老公來說就是錯, 對佢唔識的人來說就不是錯, 這種角度太奇怪...

只是, 犯錯的人犯不著要向佢唔識的人道歉/交代/取得原諒吧了... 不要混淆 "是否需要向某某道歉" 與 "是否犯錯"

希望你帶頭作互相尊重的榜樣, 呢度先唔會有沒完沒了的互相批評

匿名 說...

Re:K

Re: 1>>>床照事件絕不只是她一個人或與edison二個人的事. 這是很多人的事.

-影床照- 係佢地兩個人既事。

Ans: that's why I typed "床照事件",not "影床照". Pls read carefully.

Re: 2-床照流出- 影響到他們的親友、廣告商、公司等等,又令到好多鍾意指指點點既人茶餘飯後多個話題,的確是很多人的事。假如有外星人,佢地又加把咀,都關佢地事。

Ans: You're damn right!

Re: 3>>>事實歸事實,她是有錯的(她在訪問中也清楚承認)

-咁究竟你認為佢錯乜野呢?

Ans: Pls read my earlier post @10:49 下午, 三月 04, 2009. Don't wanna repeat.


Re: 4-其實佢係咪又好清楚自己講緊乜?

Ans: Only she knew if she knew what she was talking about.

Re: 5-我"清楚承認"我係一個唔識中文O既人,咁係咪就代表我真係唔識中文呢?

Ans: Again, only you know if you know Chinese.

Re: 6-事實歸事實,地球是正方型的,所以地球就是正方型?

Ans: That's bullxxxx. Do I even have to respond?

-匿名 @10:44 上午, 三月 05, 2009

匿名 說...

"一件錯事, 係錯就係錯, 不是什麼對佢老公來說就是錯, 對佢唔識的人來說就不是錯..."

I totally Agree!!

candy 說...

都係唔明. 佢影相又錯咩呢
法律上無寫唔俾人影相
道德上的批判又邊個可以作準?

如果話佢結婚後先同其他人影就話出軌
橫睇點睇佢都係錯在蠢而已

不如諗下自己睇埋人地比偷出來的d私人野
邊個錯多d仲好啦

陳大文部落 說...

10:44 上午, 三月 05, 2009 匿名:

...做得明星,便能享受做明星的褔利...

>> execuse me ,咁 how about 明星的自律和對觀眾的責任呢?(例如有啲宣傳禁毒但自己吸毒果啲偽人)



...床照事件絕不只是她一個人或與edison二個人的事. 這是很多人的事...


>> 係?咁犀利,不過你都講得啱,淫照『咁多人睇過 keep左』,真係好多人嘅事嘅 ~~


事實歸事實,她是有錯的(她在訪問中也清楚承認),至於在她認錯後,大家是否原諒/接受她,就閣下自行判斷.但請不要歪曲事實,說什麼"這是她的事","她沒有錯".(難道她在訪問裹無端白事認錯??)


>> 張柏芝在淫照事件中係無錯㗎,只不過係冠希同一眾靚女嘅『私人性生活』之嘛,至於柏芝喺電視上認錯,無須深究,各有 soundbite ,你好難要求柏芝大大聲喺電視話:『好嘢!我而家嚟剷 edison 一舖勁』,係咪?


仲有,我一直好奇,點解藝人會變成『人民典範』呢?又點解藝人生活,又要大眾嚟做道德審判呢? 係咪陳冠希要遊街跪玻璃呢?

咁,柏芝又係咪要寫大字報,寫『我淫我賤我膚淺,我抵死』咁呢?

咁大眾係咪好有樂趣去睇呢味嘢呢?


真係一個謎.....

linkin 說...

Erica, 你說 "她從不是玉女。她荒淫是她的事。"?

那你又會不會同意: "這個男人從沒有說自己是孝順仔, 他不孝是他的事" 由此推論他不孝也不是錯,

你已用了荒淫去 describe 張柏芝!是她自己的事所以就不是錯, 你是用什麼邏輯????

Mark.L.Pak 說...

Agreed with Josekin so much.
And I think everyone who has seen those pictures should've apolagize to artists who was involved before judging them and blaming them.
I bet some of you here had watched those pictures more than once.
I have to say ,thnik about what is truly going wrong.The problem is about people who have seen those undecent pictures keep saying that the artists should not have shown them.If so, why should you have them as evidence judging on these "stars".

匿名 說...

Re: >> excuse me ,咁 how about 明星的自律和對觀眾的責任呢?(例如有啲宣傳禁毒但自己吸毒果啲偽人)

Ans: 關楚耀吸毒當然有錯.

Re: >>仲有,我一直好奇,點解藝人會變成『人民典範』呢?又點解藝人生活,又要大眾嚟做道德審判呢?

Ans: 做得明星,便能享受做明星的褔利,但也要付出做明星的代價.

Re: >>係咪陳冠希要遊街跪玻璃呢?

咁,柏芝又係咪要寫大字報,寫『我淫我賤我膚淺,我抵死』咁呢?

Ans: 之前有人寫得好好,現借用一下,""不要混淆 "是否需要向某某道歉" 與 "是否犯錯"".

-匿名 @10:44 上午, 三月 05, 2009

匿名 說...

>>And I think everyone who has seen those pictures should've apolagize to artists who was involved before judging them and blaming them.

So, following your logic, have you apologized to Cecilia,Edison, Gillian,...etc yet?

陳大文部落 說...

大佬,唔好成日 quote 一啲 Soundbite 去以一反十去推向成件事嘅來龍去脈,香港而家好多人鍾意呢種方式。

藝人生活是否對錯,會有內裡因素,冠希係花佛,係溝女王;張柏芝又好其他女星也好,冠希都唔係強姦佢地,你可以話佢地私生活比較荒唐,但而家唔係再糾纏『你有無道歉呀』,『你或妳有無錯呀』咁樣的。

點解公眾(或部份觀眾),咁鍾意睇呢種人民公審,示眾行動呢?


係咪陳冠希而家對住鏡頭,一樣話:

『嗚...嗚....我都有阿媽生㗎,嗚嗚嗚,我應該打電話俾班女仔嘅,嗚嗚嗚~~~我衰我淫我賤格,我無恥,嗚嗚嗚 ~~我阿媽生舊叉燒好過生我,嗚嗚~~』

咁然後各位觀眾係咪一路食花生一路拍晒手呢? 仲慘過睇英超聯入龍門呢??


我好奇怪,有些觀眾的價值觀好多重標準,例如明星搞性關系,見到靚女喊晒,就會覺得係『受害者』。然後就大大聲話明星應享有明星嘅權利。


OK ,咁明星食大麻,喂,佢無叫觀眾食喎,自己食之嘛,乜唔係明星有明星權利咩?點解觀眾又咁快可以判斷『你食大麻真罪大惡極』呢?


如果果個唔係關楚耀,而係靚仔郭富城,咁觀眾係咪又一股正氣咁話:『 Aron 都唔想嘅,佢有佢壓力囉,佢有佢苦匆囉』咁呢?

又如果出嚟講嘢嘅係無咁出名嘅陳文媛,觀眾又係咪會話:『收嗲啦,賤貨,幾時輪到妳講嘢呀』咁呢...?

陳大文部落 說...

事隔一年,不少人對事件印象模糊,又很多市民只看地鐵免費報紙,也沒有『回帶』看 2008 年淫照事件的前文後理,現在看見『張柏芝女士』出來講嘢,就重組成個故仔出嚟。

最大問題,係『指定陳冠希係唯一衰人』,當要『回帶』看看 2008 年事發時嘅細節,如果有人唔加埋把口怒插冠希,就會被指為『你夠膽撐陳冠希?』。

於是你又插我又插,齊齊怒插,已經無乜人理究竟發生咩事。

跟住又扯到『女權』問題喇,好熱血喇。

而另一個問題,係到呢個 moment 為止,都無證據指陳冠希係『故意外洩淫照』,及沒證據指冠希涉及『強姦、非禮、威迫女士』等等,但聽見不少聲音,好似唔好執輸,插左先,部電腦係陳冠希嘅,佢就係最終罪人。


但唔好忘記,事情證供係陳生『攞部電腦去維修,唔知點解啲 photo 外洩』噃。

這要由法庭和警方追查真相,一個人有無罪,係講證據,你覺得果個人樣衰,唔代表有證據話佢有罪(或犯錯)。

同樣道理,靚女喊晒,亦唔代表佢一定係最善良嘅人。

匿名 說...

我唔明點解栢芝個訪問會俾人插得咁勁?

陳大文部落 說...

點解張柏芝個電視專訪會有不少對她不滿嘅聲音?

因為假。

偽人你地仲滿口仁義道德?仲純情天使?仲豪情女俠?


淫照果批相,成一千五百幾張( 無記錯呱~),睇晒㗎喇,Come on ~ 睇晒好耐喇,而家仲『重溫』翻睇㗎,2008 年三月初,深圳已經 $18 就有 full set photo DVD 賣,另外未計無數嘅人包括男男女女,舊年已經晨咁早 download 晒,真係睇晒㗎喇。


如果只係靠睇爛鬼八掛雜誌刊登出嚟果幾張淫照嘅人,已經 Out 到無倫,雜誌打格仔果幾張,只係淫照 0.1 % 咋,有排未到戲肉呀。


柏芝就算講『我都有阿媽生㗎』,咁又點呢,不滿柏芝嘅人,包括好多女人,都頂柏芝唔順,因為淫照所有女藝人所有過程,好清楚,好清楚發生咩事。


偽人此時此刻,仲搬貞忠仁義出嚟,一個唔該,連衛詩 關楚耀都喺日本俾人拉 Q 左喇( 涉嫌藏毒).....

真係當觀眾傻㗎喎....

阪本龍一 說...

陳大文:


張柏芝沒有在訪問裡要求別人的同情,而她也沒有標榜自己為仁義道德的天使,更沒有怪責公眾的異樣眼光與媒體的報導角度。


阪本龍一

陳大文部落 說...

唉,多餘。

董建華都無話自己官商勾結㗎,係咪?



咁唔通柏芝對住鏡頭話:『我好正義㗎,你地同情我啦』咁咩。

但佢嘅潛台詞就就好明顯啦。

唔通張柏芝話要上電視,電視台俾佢講乜都得咩,專訪 2 日內,鍾欣桐即刻出嚟『籌備復出』,如果成效良好,可能專訪下集直情唔駛播添。

我唔會批評人地復出,復出好正常,但用咁嘅方式嚟為自己開路,真係當觀眾係傻喎。

我理解柏芝專訪係有一定成效,因為佢嘅說話而熱血沸騰嘅觀眾,柏芝就成功喇。

偶像唔係神,鍾意咪買下佢唱片睇下佢電影囉,你喺街見到佢 say hi 人地眼尾都唔會望你啦。 Fan屎~~

所謂 Fan屎,買少啲老翻先啦。

阪本龍一 說...

陳大文:


為何閣下要預懷偏見來猜度別人的所謂「潛台詞」???子非魚,安知魚之樂與苦??


阪本龍一

匿名 說...

Totally agreed what Erica said!

Just feel sorry for those who have seen the photos and expressed their views and made judgements freely - simply acted that they have authority to view the photos.

Remember that we are not the legal owners of the photos.

One year ago,a friend of mine sent me an email with attached files containing photos "hot-topics nowadays", I deleted it immediately without taking a look. At that time, I feel sorry for having a friend who forwarded such photos to me without giving a thought why we should a right to view those photos knowing that we must not have authority to view the photos from the owners of the photos.

Assuming you were the owners of the photos, what do you think?

匿名 說...

The person who is wondering why you have not commented is just a plain loser. What does he/she want? That everyone on this planet to be a saint? He/She's the opinionated person here. My writing skills are not great; I can't think about anything to describe this person. Well, I thought of close-minded and ignorant.

匿名 說...

one day....

When one intends to blame the involved artists, please ask himself/herself the following questions:

1."Do I have a right to view the photos not belonging to me?"

2."Am I right to view the photos knowing that the photos showing other's privacy?"

If your answers to (1) and/or (2) are positive, you are the one to be blamed instead.

EC

匿名 說...

erica should thanks all these people for reading and commenting on here and thanks cecilia cheung as well

匿名 說...

"男方承諾過照片不會被任何人看到,那當然是男方的責任。她錯在蠢,錯信人,所以她對自己生氣,懲罰自己。但對公眾?錯在哪?"

Hi Erica,

We share the same view!

EC

P.S. Perhaps, those who view the photos shall consider how to learn mistakes from others - instead of stepping down others.

陳大文部落 說...

3:04 上午, 三月 07, 2009 匿名:

--One year ago,a friend of mine sent me an email with attached files containing photos "hot-topics nowadays", I deleted it immediately without taking a look. At that time, I feel sorry for having a friend who forwarded such photos to me....


呢類論調都聽唔少,好奇心爆棚之後來個事後檢討。

市民本來是不清楚淫照事件,傳媒報章雜誌電視每天大力報導,但很多人不會覺得有問題,反而會『事後檢討』:自己身邊朋友 send 淫照給自己才是不當。


所以點解我批評觀眾(或 Fans)多重標準,就是觀眾對傳媒爆料會樂意去看,但身邊朋友也參與看,就反而覺得不妥,然後就指朋友、街外其他人八掛、更有宗教團體借勢批評互聯網色情資訊泛濫,這是否多重標準? 確是多重標準。


就算張柏芝在鏡頭前所說的也很含糊,她說『不關傳媒事』,但 2008 年無論警方及娛樂圈、及一眾女藝人都齊聲指責傳媒不道德。

柏芝現在要復出,就『今天的我打倒昨日的我』,要復出就為傳媒開路,柏芝也沒有指謫觀眾互傳淫照,何解?她要復出,又點會罵觀眾呢?

我不是說柏芝在淫照事件中有錯,只是『偽人』時常自相矛盾,而且矛盾得來用一些普世價值來美化自己(eg;我都有阿媽生㗎),乜都你講晒嘅。

注意:『藝人』和『偽人』是有分別的。

匿名 說...

Quote:

"就算張柏芝在鏡頭前所說的也很含糊,她說『不關傳媒事』,但 2008 年無論警方及娛樂圈、及一眾女藝人都齊聲指責傳媒不道德。"

In my view, the media and the photos "forwarders" did act improper in this case.

However, what do you expect from those party who keep reporting/forwarding/copying the photos?

Can we stop them or control them?
The answer is "No".

Obviously, Chan is a careless and an irresponsible person to be relied on.

That's why Cheung said she made a mistake during the interview.

EC

陳大文部落 說...

That's why Cheung said
That's why Cheung said
That's why Cheung said
That's why Cheung said
That's why Cheung said
That's why Cheung said
That's why Cheung said
That's why Cheung said....

已經無意思。

因為若果全部思考都以張柏芝在鏡頭前的說話作為唯一標準的話,其實無嘢好討論。

哈哈嘿嘿。

匿名 說...

發email嗰個「He」係咪記者?否則無端白事要引袁小姐發表對張栢芝事件嘅睇法?小心踩氹呀。

匿名 說...

其實erica你自己本身係咪都有類似既經驗? 因為n年前x週都曾經登過erica同佢以前未入行前既ex一d比較親密的照片,不過係有著衫,但係都係感覺俾個ex出賣左!!!

Eric Lau 說...

Hi,

I am the sender of the email to Erica Yuen. and this is the first time (hopefully the last time) i am posting a comment. Honestly, I've never reached blog comments, as i subscribe her postings through RSS.
As i found out one part of my email conversations with Erica, which i thought to be, as usual, a private one, was now made public, and have then caused some discussion by other readers with many other points of view, I should made clear why i felt disgusted by Cheung who did not make an apology to the public.

Actually it was not my intention to bring any moral issues regarding Cheung's mistakes.
The "brainstorm options" may seem intimidating but they do represent some viewpoints as portraited by the general public/ media over the past year about this scandal. (and there's even more suggestions from the above discussion.) We all have different values and standards, in particular, when it comes to moral issues, things become tricky.

To me, it has NOTHING to do with moral issues, and there should not be.
It's more on a social context, about the consistency and responsibility of a person's action.

Cheung does have rights to her privacy. But as a public figure, she completely neglected her role and responsibility, and consequence of her actions,
which could be easily escalated to a level that could harm her stakeholders:

She created a risk, that these pictures, if taken, could be leaked one day.
Nothing could be distributed if she did not take any pictures in the first place.

It's so much more than her privacy or her own career.

She, as an employee, did not protect the interests of her company, her working partners, advertising clients, the entertainment industry she worked for and represented, and she put these parties in huge risks, and harm.

As an recognized industry worker (award-winning actress), she risked the bad impact/identity to the HK entertainment industry, how people perceive other artists/workers in the show business.

Yes, an actress is just a job anyway. but even she's got sacked, it doesn't mean it's over. she's got social responsibility.

As a public figure, she participated in pictures with content that may easily offend members of the general public and the future generations and the backlash is irreversible.
She can never be a victim but one of the culprit. as there is no evidence the pictures were involuntarily taken, Cheung should have made a public apology for her inability to protect her own privacy, for her participation of the offensive pictures she has taken, for putting her stakeholders at risk. and clarified if there's other mistakes she had made.

"What is wrong?" and "Why is wrong?" are so important because it helps define in what aspects/ level of responsibility she's willing to take. and showing herself to the public as a bad example, what she has learned from this lesson, and prevent all her stakeholders from trouble,

It was supposed to be a great opportunity for her to clarify/ address on some of the ill thoughts / moral judgements from the general public, but she didn't do that. and it's disappointing.
In this regard, Cable TV did a really bad job.

For a woman saying she's wrong for more than 12 times on the interview, but without clearly state how wrong it is, leaving things unanswered. maybe she should have more focused on elaborating what her own responsibilities are, other than spending more than half of the show's time, counting the others for not having done this and that. Blaming the "partner-in-crime" doesn't make one any better.

Her own responsibility could not be shared by/ transferred to any other parties incl. the owner of the pictures, and vice versa.

There is no stupidity in responsibility, You don't have to be smart for being a responsible person.
It is not about a person being stupid nor having trusted the wrong man.

For a woman who gave up her own rights to protect herself, who risked her body's privacy, without considering consequences, she should stop abusing words like "give women respect and dignity". Maybe the general public should ask her instead. coz there is no one else, including Edison Chen, could protect her, give women back respect and dignity, but only Cecilia Cheung, the woman herself.

One more thing, I was just trying look into this real life drama from another perspective, which never intend for anyone else's support, including Erica Yuen, who I respect. But i do believe we should speak out loud when something isn't right, like Erica does. Thank you and goodbye.

匿名 說...

Comment on Eric Lau's message:

Just have a feeling that it is a defence for a man who rape a woman..."just because she dressed less so leading my client (the defendant) to have a sex with her...I think the woman (victim) shall make an apology to my client instead".

Sigh..

I really don't appreciate it.

匿名 說...

To Eric Lau,

May I refer you to the questions posted by EC on 7.3.2009 2:11 p.m.

If you consider you are right to judge Cheung simply because she is an artist who should be a model to the public, I think you are somewhat naive and you take your own risk to trust and rely on the artist too much.

I am not a perfect person, but I did one thing right in my life insofar, I simply rejected to see those photos.

Thanks to my teacher.....who educated me to respect other's privacy.

Good night.

EC

匿名 說...

as a public body, she should behave herself in order to not affecting teenagers. although her image is not so healthy, it doesn't mean that she can do whatever she wanted to do. because she is quite famous in HK, she understands & accepts that her life will be under scrunity. indeed, she could foreseen the risk of pics may be published if any reckless circumstances happened. therefore, she is in fault among others too.

匿名 說...

I agreed that all these so-called no hold barred interviews are publicity stunts. They don't need to apologise & audiences should ignore & not continue to support both of them (Gillian & Cecilia) to make a come back. Never mind what they say or how they potray themselves (we know they are just acting).

匿名 說...

Artists are important! Hence, the parents and teachers should leave their responsibility to the artists from now onwards.

Thanks God!