it 's not one 's fault to be born into a poor family and not having a chance to study overseas. many common people have to strive hard for themselves, isn't this bit of '' ambition'' and '' hard work'' worth a little praise? i support those who are ambitious because if nobody 嘗試擠身在不屬於自己本身的圈子﹐試著攀龍附鳳, this will widen wealth gap and social inequality.
just hope everybody has the chance to develop on an equal basis.
shan: a lot of ppl who are not born in a prestigious family made their way out by studying or working very very hard; instead of working hard to get to those dinner appointments, and ask the press to take pictures of their social climbs!
I think we can study this phenomenon economically..(this is not to apply any value judgement to the act that people attend to those dinner appointments first off) There might be some self-selection there.People in the showbiz/ who join Miss HK are typically having some good attributes (say being good-looking,enjoy public performance.) and these attributes are atrracted to many marrried/unmarried male (be it actual having a good-looking parter/the pride it brings them hanging out with a celebrity..) so holding other things constant, the prob. of these women succeeding in getting a well-off guy is higher. But does it mean these beautiful girls actually have to do so? I'm thinking.. maybe beauty is typically linked with packaging unless one is a natural beauty, so these people are typically the group of people enjoying spending a lot of money on their appearance, and they are more likely to be attracted by those well-off people and attend those dinners.(mm.. i think the argument is a bit loose here, please refine it if there's any better suggestion.)So apart from that these people are celebrities,it's more likely for us to observe these beautiful girls to attend those appointments.(I'm by no means saying all of you do so, which is definitely not the case, but yes the likelihood is higher i think) so inferred by the general public, you'll have the result of MHK being stereotyped into the greedy and snobbish group. i think if we are not trying to say this is right or wrong, this is actually an economic phenomenon and these people, when maximizing their own benefit will not take into account the negative externality it brings to the whole group... sad to those who do not participate and get 'pulled into the water', but i really dun see there's any effective mechanism to internalize such externality so this phenomenon is likely to persist. For your self-comfort, you may view joining the mhk as just an action of acquiring a signal to the public that you possess the attributes of excelling in the showbiz, and acquiring such signal only serves to lower your cost in entering into/ excelling in the showbiz, so in the long-run, you don't need to care about the reputation effect, as your type would be truly revealed with time, and if the market likes you, you will succeed, otherwise don't. And i think if people read your blog, they know who you are =) (sadly not everyone reads this) Though economic discussion aside, i personally admire those who climb up the social ladder with their own effort with more moral consideration.
"妳露體狂 我們偷窺狂" cannot agree more. 當然我可以說﹕我露體﹐無人叫你睇﹗ 而你們在公眾地方看人露體也不算是偷窺啊。 remember the cover of Time magazine? Person of the year is YOU! accept the age of internet babe!
奉勸各女星千萬別幻想自己可以成為下一位徐子淇。人家出身娟好﹐從小已擠身在中上流社會的圈子,大部份在英國求學的名人之後早已是她的同窗。I want to comment that girls like her are everywhere. There are many Harvard and Columbia grads out there and having to work a nine to five job. I suppose making the right connection to the blue bloods and the upper class is essential to your success, whether it be your spousal choice or your career futures.
One thing I want to point out is marrying someone like Mr. Lee is not the most secured option. In the future, when 徐子淇 is older and not attractive, who is to say that Mr. Lee does not cheat or divorce her and re-marry? Her children could be like William and Harry inherited all the old money but what good does that do when your husband and his family can freely dispose of you at their convenience? No matter what you do, you could never remove the fact that you are marrying up and your family is not in the same class as your in-laws. It is best that you yourself have the class and the money without relying on your spouse or his family.
"將來就算要陪丈夫主席任何場合也絕不會失禮人前。" I suppose that is the purpose of a female like 徐子淇, to be used by her husband.
Hi Erica, well, I'm a female PhD student in a famous university in the U.S., and I have to say that education doesn't qualify as an automatic gateway to a good marriage or happy life, almost all of the alumni I know still have to work very hard throughout their whole life.
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如果有料子﹐還需要靠飯局嗎﹖如果一個人是這樣有修養和這樣有學識﹐那麼她以經是人中龍鳳﹐根本不需要做出攀龍附鳳的動作。真正有修養的人不會介懷自己的圈子是否屬於「中流」或「上流」﹔她更加不會介意她的另一半是否富有。
我好認同你既睇法....
這讓我想起從前讀書時讀過的一篇「請客」。
我在想：約食飯局的動機為何？可能發起飯局的是一個動機，邀約的是另一動機，應約的又是另一個動機。
認同你所說「問問那些喜愛張揚私人飯局的人吧」不論是女的還是搞飯局的。
其次，這不得不說，藝人也是人，不是聖人。人性裡也有陰暗面和缺憾，也會有「七宗罪」。只不過，藝人是公眾人物，特別「揚」而已。試問，坊間裡有誰會對某家某戶的一個無名女子參加什麼另類飯局有興趣？
從而可以看見，這是社會現象，一種風氣。香港人關心的話題很極端，不是股壇，就是娛圈…
宏觀報攤，最多的是娛樂雜誌。可是人們閱讀娛樂雜誌的「用功」，比起每天定神看著「金魚缸」的不遑多讓。藝能娛樂界，給大眾太多暇想了。娛樂新聞旨在娛樂大眾，但報導不實嘩眾取寵的大不乏人，讀者又愛填鴨式的吸收不辨黑白是非，所以太多誤解也因此而起…
另一方面，這是一種結構性的影響。簡單的道理，需求與供應是成正比的。好比食物鍊，供與求是環環相扣。假如這理論是成立的話，一個物種的消失，可以影響到另一物種的存活。換句話說，沒有貪婪的人，能滿足貪婪的就顯得束手無策，反之亦然。
所以，「為何港姐/女明星總是給人貪$$$和貪慕虛榮的感覺？」我想，只不過是人與人各取所需的結果而已。
畢竟，欲望是人性一部份，它既能讓人奮發向目標走並達致成功，受萬人景仰，可視為「進取的鬥心」；也能讓人墮萬丈淵不能自拔，被遺臭萬年，可稱作「愚昧的貪婪」。
人各有志.
CW: love it when i see your comments, every time.
"貪婪" is a concept that i don't understand... it's not in my dictionary.
II:人各有志, true. as long as it doesn't affect others: artists or MHK's reputation.
it 's not one 's fault to be born into a poor family and not having a chance to study overseas. many common people have to strive hard for themselves, isn't this bit of '' ambition'' and '' hard work'' worth a little praise? i support those who are ambitious because if nobody 嘗試擠身在不屬於自己本身的圈子﹐試著攀龍附鳳, this will widen wealth gap and social inequality.
just hope everybody has the chance to develop on an equal basis.
或許我說「貪婪」一詞，是經過腦袋幾重的思路才得出的一個概括的形容詞而已。
應這樣說，我不能排除，去飯局的不一定是帶有個人動機或目的而赴約，但我總是很難說服自己，去「飯局」是出於簡單的想交個朋友或者純粹見識世面吧？
先有一個假定，從而才去邏輯的想下去，那麼飯局的意義何在？我苦苦思索得出的結論：「或許只不過是從一個聚會中，就各人的需要各取所需。」
所謂貪婪不貪婪，根本就是灰色地帶。不同角度看同一件事情，自然得出不同的結論。貪婪與奮鬥，只不過是一念之差，又或是不同的觀點與見解而已。
shan: a lot of ppl who are not born in a prestigious family made their way out by studying or working very very hard; instead of working hard to get to those dinner appointments, and ask the press to take pictures of their social climbs!
I think we can study this phenomenon economically..(this is not to apply any value judgement to the act that people attend to those dinner appointments first off) There might be some self-selection there.People in the showbiz/ who join Miss HK are typically having some good attributes (say being good-looking,enjoy public performance.) and these attributes are atrracted to many marrried/unmarried male (be it actual having a good-looking parter/the pride it brings them hanging out with a celebrity..) so holding other things constant, the prob. of these women succeeding in getting a well-off guy is higher. But does it mean these beautiful girls actually have to do so? I'm thinking.. maybe beauty is typically linked with packaging unless one is a natural beauty, so these people are typically the group of people enjoying spending a lot of money on their appearance, and they are more likely to be attracted by those well-off people and attend those dinners.(mm.. i think the argument is a bit loose here, please refine it if there's any better suggestion.)So apart from that these people are celebrities,it's more likely for us to observe these beautiful girls to attend those appointments.(I'm by no means saying all of you do so, which is definitely not the case, but yes the likelihood is higher i think) so inferred by the general public, you'll have the result of MHK being stereotyped into the greedy and snobbish group. i think if we are not trying to say this is right or wrong, this is actually an economic phenomenon and these people, when maximizing their own benefit will not take into account the negative externality it brings to the whole group... sad to those
who do not participate and get 'pulled into the water', but i really dun see there's any effective mechanism to internalize such externality so this phenomenon is likely to persist.
For your self-comfort, you may view joining the mhk as just an action of acquiring a signal to the public that you possess the attributes of excelling in the showbiz, and acquiring such signal only serves to lower your cost in entering into/ excelling in the showbiz, so in the long-run, you don't need to care about the reputation effect, as your type would be truly revealed with time, and if the market likes you, you will succeed, otherwise don't. And i think if people read your blog, they know who you are =) (sadly not everyone reads this)
Though economic discussion aside, i personally admire those who climb up the social ladder with their own effort with more moral consideration.
actually, things are happening everyday but no one will talk about it. you are young and brave!
為什麼每次你都只是看不起別人?
難道你就只會跟相同年齡的人接觸? 不同圈子就不可以吃吃飯?
或者你說得對, 那你繼續在你的圈子中拍親熱照吧.
我不認同女星的這種行為, 但自以為高人一等的寸, 實在更令人覺得討厭.
Btw, 我在London讀書時, 聽到徐子淇說的第一句話是粗口.
我這個生活在香港的"麻甩仔",記得的港姐,有張瑪莉,張曼玉,三項鐵人,袁詠儀(當然還有 erica 啦!),甚或星途不順,但仍默默苦幹的康華...而非愛吃飯的那幾個(甚實有哪幾個都不太清楚).那些港姐"尖子"不因你所痛恨的那些"害群之馬"而壞了名聲,也不值得為那些"另求出路"的 nobody 生氣.
我欣賞你的直率!!
erica, 我覺得妳同我們都有著某種病態
妳露體狂
我們偷窺狂
妳不斷向外界揭露自己的想法同私生活,卻抗拒偷窺狂給予的見解意見..
妳濫用blog本身的本用意 !!
blog如果會對某人帶來傷害或煽動別人/社會的情緒就是錯誤濫用blog
我建議您買本diary慢慢對自己發表,而不是寫blog著制造社會話題
妳的舉動可能會會犯眾憎..何必呢?不要貶低別人抬高自己了..
如有hard feelings, i apologize !
from the bottom of my heart..
"妳露體狂
我們偷窺狂"
cannot agree more.
當然我可以說﹕我露體﹐無人叫你睇﹗
而你們在公眾地方看人露體也不算是偷窺啊。
remember the cover of Time magazine?
Person of the year is YOU!
accept the age of internet babe!
奉勸各女星千萬別幻想自己可以成為下一位徐子淇。人家出身娟好﹐從小已擠身在中上流社會的圈子,大部份在英國求學的名人之後早已是她的同窗。I want to comment that girls like her are everywhere. There are many Harvard and Columbia grads out there and having to work a nine to five job. I suppose making the right connection to the blue bloods and the upper class is essential to your success, whether it be your spousal choice or your career futures.
她學歷高﹐講得一口流利英語和普通話﹐加上自小家教嚴﹐極富個人修養。將來就算要陪丈夫主席任何場合也絕不會失禮人前。
One thing I want to point out is marrying someone like Mr. Lee is not the most secured option. In the future, when 徐子淇 is older and not attractive, who is to say that Mr. Lee does not cheat or divorce her and re-marry? Her children could be like William and Harry inherited all the old money but what good does that do when your husband and his family can freely dispose of you at their convenience? No matter what you do, you could never remove the fact that you are marrying up and your family is not in the same class as your in-laws. It is best that you yourself have the class and the money without relying on your spouse or his family.
"將來就算要陪丈夫主席任何場合也絕不會失禮人前。" I suppose that is the purpose of a female like 徐子淇, to be used by her husband.
Hi Erica, well, I'm a female PhD student in a famous university in the U.S., and I have to say that education doesn't qualify as an automatic gateway to a good marriage or happy life, almost all of the alumni I know still have to work very hard throughout their whole life.
明眼人看都知道徐子淇其實是奉子成婚吧，結婚才七個月就已經生出這麼重的孩子，分明就是帶球懷孕的，不是什麼光彩的事情。大家都不講只是因為李家面子大而已。今天要是她嫁一個普通的演藝人員，媒體報導的就不是她的學歷了，而是未婚懷孕的消息了。
Erica,
我所以叫彌明唔好學徐子淇嘅原因,係佢做唔到U女嘅典範噃.佢係喺LSE讀研究院呀,但佢只係一心想做少奶奶囉,枉Prof. R H Coase,George Soros以前留底的U仔典範(反而我覺得喺LSE教書嘅魏莉華仲好過佢囉)~~~~~~:)
Daniel.
Dear Erica,
I like your articles and yr views and you hv good points about Entertainment industry and life.
Do u hv email address? BTW, i m female.
Thanks,
serendipity
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